middle class, so let's do that first. republicans believe if they do that, they would lose their leverage, but the president was basically saying, okay, guys. let's do this, and then we'll move on to the second step of the process. but i do agree with david, and by the way, i'm not saying they are picking on susan rice because she's a woman, but i do this it's an interesting turn of phrase by the president "easy target," but these things are heating up so quickly that they better not get backed up into corners they cannot get out of. >> dana, what do we expect from the meeting on friday? >> the truth of the matter is, they have to have this meeting, and they have to sit down eyeball to eyeball and discuss things where the cameras aren't there. however, we know from history, particularly recent history with this president and these congressional leaders that most of the real work is going to get done on the phone with -- in this case probably the house speaker and the president and their aides. so that is the reality, you know, this is an opening gambit and probably not much more.